The conversation covers various topics related to movies and TV shows, including favorite series of 2023, movies and TV shows to look forward to in 2024, movies and TV shows that got no love, most shocking moments in movies, movies that represented a culture, movies that got bad reviews, and movies that people didn't get. The conversation covers various movie discussions and opinions, including underrated movies, Tony Collette's performance in Hereditary, the lack of recognition for horror films by the Academy, and best bad movies. The hosts also make predictions for the upcoming Academy Awards in categories such as best actor, best actress, best director, and best screenplay. The conversation concludes with predictions for best animated feature film, production design, cinematography, costume design, and film editing. The conversation covers various categories of the Oscars, including editing, makeup and hairstyling, sound design, visual effects, original score, original song, best documentary, international feature film, and best picture.
- Christopher Rich
- John Gascot
- Music by Old Romans
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A Conversation with John Gascot and Christopher Rich:
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All right, so I am lucky to have two guests with me this time, the amazing Christopher Rich and the amazing John Gascot. John, we had on the podcast earlier. So John, I wanna start off by asking, how was your show at the work?
It just ended and it was fabulous. It was really, really good. Yay. Yeah. Terrific. So John did an amazing series of paintings all about drag culture and voguing. Is that right? Ballroom culture. Wonderful. Ballroom culture. Awesome. And Christopher, thank you for joining me too. Christopher, you're also an artist in the Kenwood neighborhood. So tell us a bit about what kind of work you do.
So I do assemblage work and I use antiques, recyclables, sometimes new things, everything from China to dolls, to things I find or people send to me. And I create sculpture with that. Large ones, big ones, I do a lot of memory boxes and all of that kind of stuff.
I love your dolls. What do you call them? Little cuties or something like that? There's different ones. So I do party girls, which is the one that they're antique and cupid dolls that are mounted in vintage martini glasses with fake ice cubes and they have top hats on them. And they're all different. Each doll is different. So I try not to buy two dolls at the same time when I find them. So they're all unique to each other.
I can use serving pieces and mount antique toys, broken mechanical toys, and I work in other things that kind of have the same feeling to each piece.
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Well, I'm excited to have both of you here because I go to the movies at least once a week. I obsessively watch everything that's new, and I have no friends who are as obsessed with movies as I am. So I'm very happy to get the two of you together to gush about this list. And I don't know about you two, but I was disappointed in the list because I've seen so few movies. I thought I was doing really well. I saw 112 new movies that came out in the year, and I've only seen half of them.
of the best picture nominations. So how did you guys do with keeping up with all the great stuff that came out in 2023? Sure. I would say that- Christopher, I'm gonna start with you. What's that, I'm sorry? So I wanna start with you, Christopher. Was it hard to keep up with all the movies that were coming out last year? It was, there were a lot of movies that I was kind of like torn between like what should I see first or if I wanna see it or not see it.
one of those movies would be Past Lives. I've tried to watch it three different times and I just, it just doesn't do it for me. And I enjoy the lead actress quite a bit, I know her from the morning show and other things, but yeah, that one wasn't such a great one for me, but I did see a lot of really good films this year that,
excited to see made the Oscar nominations list. I'm interested in hearing you say that about past lives, because that was my number one movie of the year. Isn't that funny, Steve? I thought I really liked it, and several friends said, oh, you need to see past lives. And I tried, and I just felt like it was a little I enjoyed the flashback scenes more than I did the current tundra of the movie.
For sure. What about you, John? Did you find that it was just like a crazy amount of stuff this year? Was it hard to keep up? How would you compare it to 2022's films? Yeah, and I don't know if it has to do with the fact that now it's like you have at the movies, but now you have straight to streaming that are all kind of going on at the same time. It seems like it just increases the amount of.
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stuff that's out there. But I would say I'm like with you, I've probably seen about half of the best. Yeah.
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And so I also want to touch on what Christopher said, too. There's a lot of movies that were on the list and that were made a lot of money, were important movies this year that I just don't give a shit about. Like, I don't know if emotionally I can handle watching The Zone of Interest, a movie about the people who work in Auschwitz. Right.
Yeah, and then also there's that super Christian movie that made a ton of money this year about the kids being kidnapped into sex slave rap. Oh my gosh. Yeah, and that was such BS too because it was all a little scheme to detract voters. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm not familiar with that one.
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Yeah, it's just going out the theaters for that one. It was Jim Caviezel. I can't even remember the name. Well, especially when especially when it came out that all of those, the reason it was doing so well at the box office was because all of these religious groups were going and buying mass amounts of tickets and not even not even showing up at the theater. So that, of course, increased the box office money making part of it. But yeah, that was it.
All right, so before we get into the actual Oscar nominations, I have a few of our own little categories I wanted us to chat about. So starting with you, John, what was your favorite series that you watched, whether it's a limited series, a mini series, a season of a TV show that you watched in 2023? So I was thrilled to see how beef.
took over the, what was it, the Emmys? Yeah, the Emmys. But my favorite, favorite was Swarm. Swarm, oh, that's right. I wanted to watch that, but never got down to it. It was just really clever and really dark and Dominique Fishback was...
the lead actress and when those nominations came out, I was like, oh, it's between Ali and Dominique. But even though I love I really wanted Dominique to win, like her performance was just. Beyond, but I was happy I was happy for Ali because I just enjoyed that whole series.
It was kind of fresh. You're referring to the Emmys, right? The Emmys, I'm sorry, yeah. OK, yeah. I feel bad that I didn't watch anything with the Emmys. I mean, I was in the middle of getting a new AC installed in a house in Miami, so. But I know. I did want to talk to you. But that's OK.
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on one of the things that was one of the shows that I wanted to watch for great things about, but it's I mean, it's hard enough to keep up with new movies. It's even harder to come up keep up with series. Sure. There's so much good TV out there and movies. I mean, but specifically TV like, you know, I'm old enough to remember when there were certain amount of channels, and certain amount of content.
And when the TV went off at 1 a.m. or whatever it was, and now it's just unlimited. The amount of stuff that comes out, it's just unlimited and it's so hard to keep up with. And what about you, Christopher? What was some shout outs and the ultimate, the best thing you wanna direct people towards from here? I loved beef.
Of course, Ali Wong is fantastic and I think she's super talented. And it was, while there were a lot of neat different things going on in the movie, it was comedic. There were some comedic points which I think held audiences and watchers that you wanted to come. It wasn't like so depressing or anything like that, but I enjoyed that. But one of my favorites was For All the Light You Cannot See. I loved that.
I had read the book. I was very, and I was very interested as it was being made, I had read about it and about the actress who played the lead part. Did either of y'all see it? No. No, but I did hear that one of the film reviewers I listened to said that they were very excited about it and they couldn't get past the first episode. Oh.
So I guess because I had read, like I said, I had read the book and I thought that the story followed the book really well, which usually isn't the case. And I was really interested in watching too because I had read that the main actress is actually blind, like the main character of the story. So I loved it. I loved it. Yeah. Okay. I'm glad you enjoyed it. What network is that?
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I'm sorry? I'm sorry, what streaming service or network was that on? That's on Netflix. Okay, I lost access to Netflix when they, I think it was around February, when they like took out the ability to stream on someone else's account, they got rid of the crackdown on that. So I had pretty much the whole year with no Netflix. So that's where the biggest hole in what I was able to see this year is. Yeah. So for me, I definitely wanna...
Quickly shout out how incredible The Last of Us was. I feel like we don't deserve a show as good as The Last of Us. Right. But what I really wanna call out is a Korean show that was on Hulu called Moving. I'm a sucker for superhero stuff. I saw an average fan here though. Yeah.
So it's advertised as a superhero thing, but that's really not the crux of it. It starts off as a teen drama. These two kids meet in high school, they start to fall for each other, they find out that both of them are hiding a secret and the secret is that they each have some type of superpower.
And then the show becomes a flashback on how their parents, who also had superpowers, used to work for the government, like in espionage, doing spying against North Korea and stuff, involved in these, like, secret, all-in-one wars. And then that, then a whole bunch of stuff got in trouble, and they had to go into hiding from both the South Korean and North Korean government. And that's how they ended up in this town where the children meet. And then it all kind of comes crashing down at the end of the series, as everyone gets discovered. But incredible.
Emotion, storylines, so many great ways that they've shown how these powers can manifest and be useful. I found it wonderful and it was very moving. It is funny, those Korean soap operas and all of the stuff that they have done this last year on Netflix, it's amazing. Some of them are really, really good. Yeah. So is there any shows that you're excited about next or 2024?
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Yes, I know this might sound a little crazy, but Sofia Vergara has a new show coming out on Netflix, and it's called Griselda, and it is about a Colombian drug lord that was very famous. And I'm interested to see her, you know, you always see her in these comedic roles.
And she is funny and I'm just a fan. So sometimes I do tend to, I tend to go for those shows that maybe aren't that great, but they might have someone super fun in it. So I'm interested to see how she'll be as a dramatic actress. I don't know why I thought that was a movie. I've been waiting for it to be out as a movie. And they've kind of toughened her up, but I have you seen the real Griselda? Right.
I mean, I mean, she's still pretty glamorous for. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The real Griselda was kind of like, she looked kind of like Selena's, the lady that killed Selena but with a lot of hair. Oh, yeah. Ooh. Yikes. She did. She really did. I mean, that was the, they have a documentary on it, on Netflix, I believe. Oh, cool. On the real kids.
There's a document it's either a docu-series or a docu-most of them seem to be docu-series now, but nice But yeah, they have when I forget what the title is But you can watch the you can I would suggest to watch the real one Okay, do the show because that's why I'm excited about it. I'm excited to see what they do with it. Oh Great. Very cool. We'll check it out. What do you John? What are you excited about?
Uh, this is corny, but I think I'm gonna say well to uh, to uh, Handmaid's Tale because I think it's the last one and I've just I've that's gonna be great Yeah, and last season was like a season where you finally
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Because prior to that, I would always have to like watch a comedy immediately after because it just destroys you. But last season, I felt like you had moments where you could cheer for the character. And that was sure fighting to me. So I'm looking forward to that. And I'm looking forward to another one that's the last of the season. And that's what we do in the shadows. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, it's a shame that that's ending. That's right. But sometimes, yeah, that's the end on a high note, you know, on a strong. True. Then dragging it out. Yeah. Sometimes the show's just because there's shows like Nip Tuck that I used to love. And then I mean, like probably the last three or four seasons because it went so long. The same happened to me with The Walking Dead. All right. Some shows just go on and on and on and.
So while I'll miss it, it's probably a good thing.
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Hello. Nicholas. Is he frozen? He's frozen. Yeah, he can't be in there. It's his turn now. Nick, can you hear us?
Nick, what shows are you excited for? Yes, Nick, we want to know immediately.
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Boy. So I'm with you on the Handmaid's Tale. I'm with you on the door. I kind of forgot. I did, that slipped my mind that the last season, which like they say, I'm with you, I think it might be the last season. I've read all of those Margaret Atwood stories and I loved it. I was very...
I was very kind of turned off when I found out that, what's the star? Oh, I'm so sorry. She's the Scientologist? Yes. That freaked me out. That's very disappointing. I was like, oh my gosh. Agreed. Really? And I wonder if Margaret Atwood knew that about her when she was hired.
You know, because she was on an advisory for the whole thing. Right, right. Yeah. Maybe she is Elizabeth Moss, Elizabeth Moss. That's right. Elizabeth Moss. Yeah. So I think her best acting is in the quiet moments. Yes. She really she really conveys a lot with her eyes and her body. For sure. For sure. She just gives you a look and you're like.
That's acting. Did you by chance see the original movie with Natasha Richardson? No, from like the movie. You need to see it, John. Okay. So it's so good. You know, Elizabeth McGovern is in it and she plays the lesbian character and it's just really, really good. And Faye Dunaway, Faye Dunaway's in it. Oh, that's right, yeah. Nick, we don't need you anymore. We're taking over. Yeah, we're good.
- Okay, we're ready. He gave me a sad face and it said that it had to restart.
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So what shows are you looking forward to? So what I'm most excited about, I'm 99% sure it's coming out in 2024 because a trailer came out for it, is the next season of Interview with the Vampire. Oh, that'll be good. Yeah, I like it. So I'm an Anne Rice fan for sure, but the first season, they...
Usually you're scared when they go different, when they change the source material, but what the biggest thing that they did is they upped the timeline of it. So for example, the beginning of the first interview of the vampire was like 1820s, 1840s or so in Louisiana. This time they changed it to like the 1920s and they made it really flat.
So he's like a pimp living in New Orleans with like fancy old school cars and stuff. And the idea of making him black made it so different because he's wealthy, but he's still not allowed to be part of like the overall culture. And it was just so wonderful. And I'm just really excited about season two. That adaptation was incredible.
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time in the 1920s because there were very that was a very affluent area for the gender color as they called them or people that were mixed or you know most of them had a proper education is for the time and were able to open businesses and do those things so I thought that part was cool that they did keep it historically correct as they moved it on.
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your volume. Sorry, I can turn that up. I apologize. Ah, there you go. So one thing that was a huge tease about the first season is they split that book in half. So the first season was just the first half of the book, all the way up until they escaped from Louis and moved to France. And that's where season two is going to start with them meeting the other vampires in France. He and Claudia. He and Claudia, right? Sorry, yeah, Louis and Claudia. Right, OK.
All right, so let's move on to movies that got no love. So starting with you, John, what is something that you really liked this year that either got bad reviews or nobody gave a shit about? And you don't know why no one's talking about it. I guess that's better. What a movie that you don't know why no one is talking about. I didn't write that one down. Um, a movie that.
You go first, Christopher, and let me think. OK. So a movie that I loved that I think a lot of people did not, or when I mentioned it to others, they're kind of like, ooh, you know, is Foe. F-O-E. OK. Yeah, it's with the actress, the Irish actress,
Oh, I love her. She's terrific. And she's, she is, I mean, it's a, it's a very dystopian kind of thriller mixed with a little bit of a love story. So I liked it, cause I liked those kind of dystopian movies, but this one, this one person is chosen. She's given the choice to leave her husband.
and go on to another planet so she can help, you know, kind of keep things going. And they've kind of left people behind who they did not think were worthy or smart enough to create a new civilization. It was interesting. Yeah. Foe. F-O-E. Not P-H-O, but F-O-E. Well, that would be Fah.
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That's right. Mine would be Monica. And I just recently watched it. It's a movie. And I only knew of it because of an article or something. And it's a movie about a trans woman going back home to care for her dying mother. But her mother has never seen her in that.
that version of herself. Oh, I saw the trailer for that earlier in the year. It's Tracy LeCette is the main actress who happens to be trans. And Patricia Clarkson plays the mom who I love. She's always great. I do too, she's great. Yeah, and it's very much like a character study. It's a very slow paced, a lot of...
quiet moments of her on the phone or her contemplating if she's going to call this person. Of course, there's emotional scenes and dialogue and everything, but it's a very quiet movie. It also has the girl that played the girlfriend that couldn't die in God's...
Oh, geez. What's the one with all the gods? Oh, you know, you're talking about Hayden Penatieri in Heroes. No, no, no. It's the it's it's, um, I can't think of his name, the author. The American Gods. American Gods.
Oh, the girl that plays girlfriend in that she's in it and she's excellent as well. It's a cast of maybe like five or six people, you know, it's a small, intimate movie. And again, like if I hadn't popped, like pop came across it in that article, I wouldn't have. Not about it. Yeah. Even within like LGBTQ circles, like I hadn't heard about it.
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I only heard about it briefly and I think it was an article. I'm not sure if it was in Watermark or where I read about it, but it looks great. Apparently at either, I think at cons or something, one of the festivals where it premiered, they had like an 11-minute standing ovation. Right. The act like...
Her, the main character, Monica, her acting is just impeccable. And it's somebody who, I believe she was in Trans, what's what was the one with Judith Light and? There was this series that.
there was controversy because it was a hetero cis male who played the trans lead character but um what was it called
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You know, Judith Light. Yeah, Judith Light's great. By chance, did anyone get to see La Emenstia? And I'm probably pronouncing it incorrectly. That was the Italian movie done with Penelope Cruz this year. And it was... What you're talking about. Yeah, it sparked my memory was it is about a wealthy, a woman who is a mother...
of three and the oldest daughter is like 13 and has always felt like she's a boy. And it takes place in the mid 1970s in Rome and they're from a rich industrialist family. Her mother Penelope Cruz is very sympathetic and understands, but the father of course wants her to wants the child to fit in and be a girl and where, you know, be a debutante. And
It's very good. I loved it. And that was a movie, I don't think, got a lot of credit here. And I actually never, I think it played at the green light. I don't know, maybe just once or twice or something. But we loved it. So like, I didn't get a chance to see Ferrari, but in that Penelope Cruz also plays an Italian woman. And in the trailer, it did not sound like an Italian accent at all. So did you do better in this one?
her lisp is her Castilian lisp is very hard to disguise and in this one too again I don't know when she says ciao it's like a ciao a ciao you know have you guys ever thought of this if you remember when she was dating Tom Cruise if she had married Tom Cruise what would she have been called she would have been called Penelope
Yeah. How serious would that be? It was a gentleman. You know, she's definitely great in the Almodovar movies. Totally. She just, you know, and it's funny that, it's funny that, like, she can play Italian and nobody's, like, up in arms.
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Right. That's a whole other, that's a whole other thing. Yeah. But people were like crazed about what's his name in Maestro because of his nose or something. Bradley Cooper. Yeah, Bradley Cooper wore the prosthetic. And it's like, well, they're trying to make him look like the person.
And he did. Yeah, they did a good job with that. And if the thing is, if they hadn't done that, then people would have been like, oh, he wasn't that handsome. Of course. You know what I mean? Well, so speaking of that, it's hilarious to know, like, Bradley Cooper played the Elephant Man on stage with no makeup.
So the whole time, if you see clips of it, it looks like he's making fun of disabled people out of context. Well, I was going to say out of context because theater is a whole different piece than there's the suspended. Yeah, I know there's a tradition of playing the elephant man without makeup, but I think that probably scared him into wanting to do the makeup. I don't know. Just just to find out for Maestro. Yeah. Was it his idea? I don't know.
We saw an interview. I think it was a good choice. It was excellent makeup. Yeah, it was great. We saw an interview on Jane Pauley on Sunday morning, and she interviewed Leonard Bernstein's children. They felt that he really looked like their dad. And the prosthetic nose, they asked if it bothered them or did it happen? She said, oh, it didn't bother us at all. You know, he...
He, that's what his nose was. So, yeah. We're in a day and age where people wanna get mad about other people's issues. For sure. You know? For sure. I agree with that. You really do. Yeah, I agree with that. Well, I mean, that reminds me of this. I have a book that's written by Doug Bradley, the actor who played Pinhead in the Hellraiser movies. It's called Behind the Mask of a Horror Actor. And it's about the history of, I guess, tradition of losing yourself into a mask.
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and how that allows you to get rid of the id and focus on the character you're developing. So I wouldn't say that's a crutch, but that's a tool that makes it maybe easier for you to play an existing character. Yeah, to get into it. For sure, I can see that. If you look in the mirror and don't see yourself. Like if I were playing somebody with a disability or something, I would think that having some sort of constricting garment or something would be helpful.
Right. To be like, no, I can't move the way that I normally do. And that would be helpful in developing that character. All right, well, let's move on. We're getting way ahead of ourselves. So I'm going to stop sharing my screen, because I think that's what's making my computer cry. So for a movie that got no love, I'm going to call out a movie that was actually my number two on my top 10 of the year. And that is Cassandro on Amazon Prime.
I adored that movie. It is starring Gael Garcia de Bernal, who's an incredible actor. And I know nothing about lucha libre wrestling, except my grandfather was a wrestler called the Red Tornado back in the 60s. He was a Cuban guy wrestling in Mexico. But this movie tells the true story of Cassandro, what they call exotico, the gay wrestlers who would usually just get
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character that everybody loves and then people start cheering for him. The movie is it's beautifully shot. It's very still cameras, very shallow depth of field, very dramatic, like sodium lighting. And it's really mostly about a character who has basically just learns who he is, decides he wants to be something bigger than himself. And everybody kind of gets in.
enthralled with the energy he puts out into the stage. And it's just that slow development of like gaining confidence. And it's just a very exciting movie and the ending made me cry. And it was nice to see a- Oh, I love a good crier. Yeah, it's nice to see an LGBT story that ends happily. Yes. It's very, it's just, it's nice to just, it's very cathartic. Like I love a good crier. Right.
Yeah. I thought Gail did a wonderful job portraying Cassandra. And again, I agree with you on the cinematography, like in the back room, dressing room scenes, it all looks so realistic. And just like they had just walked into some dump and borrowed it, you know, that had not been prepped and propped and all that. And I enjoyed Cassandra. That's on my list. I liked it.
But that's an A24 movie, is it not? No. No? No, it's a prime original. So I think they produced it. Okay. Yeah. Because I was going to say, you barely go wrong with A24. Yeah. Beef was A24. That was the first series, I want to say. And I didn't I did not see that home improvement thing, The Curse. I believe that's also A24.
but that's on my to-do list. Anyways. I wasn't, as much as I love Emma Stone, the curse, again, it was one of those movies, or series, I'm sorry, series, I had to go back to each time and like, uh, well, I don't know. It just got very boring to me. I love the storyline, but I think I would have enjoyed it as a book.
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All right, so let's move on to most shocking moment. John, let's start with you. What's the most shocking moment you saw in a movie in 2023? When evil lurks. Oh, that was mine, you bastard. When evil lurks. I also think it's like a movie that hasn't gotten in. It has gotten love in the horror community, but this filmmaker is so good. Like, you know, it's one of those, it's...
There's like horror flicks and horror movies, and then there's horror films, is the way I look at it, where they're like, they're just the quality. You know, like when you go back to movies like The Witch, that movie had come out at a different time. I mean, it had everything that qualifies a movie for a nomination. You know, like.
I love the movie. It's a beautiful movie and creepy as hell, but beautiful. But yeah, when evil lurks, that moment, and I'm really shocked. So which moment? Because there's a lot of shocking moments in that movie. So, okay, am I allowed to say it? I don't want to... Yeah, we'll spoil it. Alright, the dog moment. Even if we spoil it, it's still going to be... Oh, that one! Okay, I picked a different one. Oh, no! The dog moment when...
The whole scene is going kind of like in the background. In the foreground is the little girl sitting under the table. She's just petting the dog. But you're like, that's not what matters here. It's the fight. It's the fight back there. And that dog just chomps onto her and just rattles. Yes. Exactly. That's the main thing about it. And then drags her through the damn neighborhood.
That was my hereditary head-chopping moment this year. That was so wonderfully filmed too. It looked so realistic. Do you know movies in Argentina are not working with the same budgets that movies in America are? Exactly. It's all the more impressive. Yeah.
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So for me, the most shocking moment of when evil lurks was at the end when they go to try and find the other kid that's been kidnapped and they just see his mother walking down the street, holding him in one arm with his top of his head off and just reaching in there, eating it like two jujubes. Love that.
Christopher, what's the most shocking moment you saw in a movie? The most shocking moment, it would have to be shocking and yet disappointing. And would be the film Leave the World Behind with Julia Roberts. The end. The end I was like, what the hell? I mean, really? I got the whole movie. But I'm like, there you go. That was mine.
Yeah. Did you ask? I feel like it made perfect sense. Because what else are you going to do? And I guess I'll talk more about it later because I have it under like.
movies people didn't get and stuff like that. But I don't know, for me it worked. I know a lot, it was a very divisive ending. Yes. Very polarizing for sure. Yeah. Again, that's my Netflix blind spot for the year. So I totally missed that one. It's definitely a must see though. Yeah. I would agree. Yeah, I think it's a must see. Okay.
So representation award, this is movies that you feel kind of showed off a culture or something that didn't normally get the Hollywood treatment. And so you kind of appreciate it for opening the world up to that universe. So starting with you, Christopher, what movie would you give the representation award to? So I would have to say Killers of the Flower Moon. I don't.
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I don't think that that's a part of history that a lot of people know about. And I don't really think that people understand all of that. And I think it kind of showed it in a different light than what they might have been taught or what they might have been led to believe, even in those areas in Oklahoma, that part of the world. So I would think that one would be it.
I loved Lily Gladstone. Mm-hmm. She was wonderful. Yeah. And what about you, John? Representation award. I'm going to go with Monica because just the fact that, you know, the character was portrayed by an actual trans actress. That's wonderful.
And you know, because I understand like that whole debate. Well, you know, we should have trans people play trans people. But I also understand it's getting better. Like when that debate started, it was like, yes, but at the same time, Holly, it's all about money and, you know, and bringing people in to fill those seats. And
it's hard to have a movie be a hit with no names. Right. And so my whole thing was like, well, would you rather the story not be told at all or that it be told with respect by an actor who appreciates and delves into the culture? And that's how I saw it. Because some of these movies that in the past, if they did not have
Like if it didn't have Hillary Swank or Boy So Far, they probably wouldn't have been made. You know what I mean? If they couldn't get out of school. And I'm happy that they were told. Right. But just the fact that we're in a day and age where this can happen, that would be my representation pick. Good, I like that. Right on.
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For me, I'm picking a documentary. I don't watch a lot of documentaries just because the way I review movies, I rate them on writing, directing and acting. And that kind of leaves blank spaces in my spreadsheet. But I am going with Little Richard. I am everything. It was great. It I if there was a lot of drama in Little Richard's life. And it was it was interesting, too, to see.
I say it as if it's like a film, but it's a documentary. But it's interesting to see the story of someone who constantly struggled with their sexuality. Sure. Between finding Jesus and rejecting it and then accepting it and then rejecting it, rationalizing it. And it's just, I guess it's, I don't know if, I'm not a gay man, so I don't know if that helps, but it, I guess it does.
show people that it's maybe not all cut and dry, that there are difficulties that even the most proud people can find. Of course. I thought that was a pretty useful example. We just saw it, we loved it. Yeah. And plus it was also nice seeing kind of a little bit into the world of what rock and roll was like touring in the South and the Chitlin circuit.
Um, so yeah, I gotta say Netflix has also, I don't know. Is that one on Netflix? It's on Max. I think is where I watch Max. Okay. Because Netflix has this year quite a few great documentaries about black culture and like black models and black, like just how they influence the beauty industry and all of that. So it's good to see that.
These stories are being told. Yeah. Speaking of it, John, was it you who posted on Facebook today about Marina Abramovich is now selling makeup? Well, not makeup. She's selling skincare. And my whole thing is like, it just seems to me like it's a whole, like that's a whole part of the performance.
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You know, like she's playing a trick on beauty consumers, you know? Well, I mean, if I was given the opportunity to shell a product, I would do it like that, so. Oh yeah. Oh, it's not a criticism. My whole thing was like, what do you think? Do you think she's just really interested in this or do you think that this is a larger than life performance? Performance that- I think it can be both. Because- Yeah.
If you're a performance artist, there's only so many ways you can make money. So, well, a friend of mine said maybe she's thinking about retirement because what's the 401k for performance artists? You know? Yeah. Each item, each serum or whatever is limited to, I think, eight thousand. All right. All right. Let's go.
I mean, I guess all that makes sense. You sold a self-help thing in the past where you would get these flashcards. And some of them were like, drink a glass of water as slowly as you can. Walk backwards with a mirror. That's all they were. Right. I guess people bought them because it's too close. It's an idea. I think she's pretty incredible.
It's like, well, at what point are you no longer gonna consider yourself a performance artist? You're someone who makes products and sells them, which there's nothing wrong with that. No. All right, so let's go into the next category, movies you didn't get. So starting with you, Christopher, what is a movie that everybody raved over and you just didn't care for? Well, you know, on that one, there were, I would have to say, Barbie. I just didn't. Oh.
I just did not, I mean, I understood it, but again, I wasn't hyped about it. I wasn't into it. And yeah, the one for me. Okay.
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I mean, then again, not every movie is for every person. No, no. Right. It just wasn't. It wasn't. I mean, so many people loved it. My husband loved it. He thought, you know, it was definitely a comedic movie, and I just didn't like it. Yeah. And I didn't get it. So. All right. What about you, John? I don't know if we can curse, but... Okay. Fucking Skinamarink.
Tina Mourinq kissed me.
the fuck off. And I committed because there's it's very easy to click that movie off. But I'm like, no, something's going to give here. Something's going to happen. Did you see it at home or in the theater? I saw it at home. If I had been at the theater, I would have burnt it down. I thought as a theater, I spent ticket money on that. Oh, my God. I would have been. I saw it in the theater and there were some great moments, but they were kind of hidden.
amongst the not great moments. They were very well hidden. Yeah, yeah. Like they really, they ask a lot of their audience before they can actually deliver anything exciting to you. Like I love the, the kind of towards the end when the little girl finds her parents in the bedroom, sitting on the bed and they tell her to like, come look under the bed and she doesn't want to. I thought that was horrifying.
But that only makes sense because you've been watching just static in the dark for the last two hours. So something is happening. So that's exciting Right, right Yeah That's true But I know like with skin of a ring they say it's either you loved it or you hated it And I was kind of in the middle. I hated most of it, but I loved the parts that were worth loving. So I guess but I think the no dialogue thing is very
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Difficult to pull off no one what is no one will know and we'll save you that was a great Use of I think there's only like I forget you can count how many words are in it. Yeah I don't think there any and no more. There's like a handful But at no moment that I feel like oh come on like what's good, you know, you know
And it kept me engaged. This one, I just, I could not. It had a lot of dialogue, but sorry. I mean, Skin of a Ring had a lot of dialogue, but it's like children and they're very quiet and mumbly. It's hard enough to understand what children are. So I did appreciate that they had subtitles in the movie because I don't like children and I don't understand when children talk to you. I think it's the movie that gave me the least since the Blair Witch Project.
But at least the Blailedge project had a pretty scary last five minutes. It did. Yeah. All right. So for me, the movie that I didn't get was The Boy and the Heron. I feel like people were just obsessing over that movie just because it's supposedly the last film from Miyazaki. But I thought the storyline was a mess.
The last line of the movie was really stupid. It's the little boy after this huge grand adventure. He says, we moved to Tokyo a year later, credits. I'm like, why, what was, huh?
It had nothing to do with anything we just saw. It's such a weird note to end on. And I thought the drawings were good. The animation was pretty choppy. It was like a fifth of Spirited Away in quality, if you could quantify the quality of it. I feel like Spirited Away is the height of Studio Ghibli and Miyazaki. I don't think The Boy and the Heron is a good place to end a career on. People still obsessed with that movie, and I just did not care for it.
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Alright, so let's talk about movie they didn't get so starting with you John. What is something that you loved that got really bad reviews? Okay, well, I'm gonna I have two and one is not because I loved it
I'm gonna say Skinnamorink because I feel like anybody who says it's brilliant, they just didn't fucking get it and they feel like they should say something about it. And it's artsy, so it must be brilliant. But I'm gonna say Leave the World Behind because of so many, not because of the ending being divisive, but because I saw so many people post about like...
Well, it didn't give me any answers about anything and what was with the deer and what was with the this and I'm like for me, that was the whole point that if that happened in that moment, you wouldn't have it. You wouldn't know what the fuck was going on. So to give answers, I think would take away from the point of the movie. They were, you know, they were in the middle of something that was happening.
And if it were us right now, we wouldn't have any clue. If there was no TV to tell us, if there was no, you know, we would have to zoom. And, you know, there were things like the migratory patterns were changing. And I even thought like, is that why she decided to get away at the last minute? Like it was an impromptu, let's just go away.
Right. You know, was that like, it's kind of spreading to humans, how we decide to go places? And I mean, I thought the answers were there where they needed to be, but I thought that a lot of it was meant to not be answered because you're supposed to be in that kind of confusion of the moment. So I feel like a lot of people miss that about it because people like movies explained.
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Okay. There you go. I do like a movie that, oh, I guess a better way to say this, I don't like when movies.
give things to the audience that the audience shouldn't have, or it's unnatural for the characters to discuss it. Like when someone says, as you know, this is your last day before retirement, it's like nobody would say that to another character. I love movies where, like, as the audience, you have to really pay attention to catch up with the characters. So it seems like I would like that movie once I do get that. I think you would. It's very well made.
And well, you'll have to let us know what you think of the ending. Are you team John or team Christopher? I'm not Christopher. So what is a movie they didn't get? Something that you liked that got bad reviews? I think it got very mixed reviews. There were some really bad ones, and then there were some that were good. And it could be just because people thought about it or whatever was May December.
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I got the movie, I understood it, but I had many people say to me, what?
I mean, what was that? Like, did she believe in what, did she think it was okay that the Julianne Moore's character had done this and lived that life? I was like, no, she's an actress, but she was there and she had a different view of it after she had studied her and been with her. And I think a lot of people lost that point in the movie, but I thought it was a great movie. I got it. It was easy. And a lot of people...
Okay.
Okay. Again, Netflix blind spot for me, but I have heard good. That's my fault. That's my fault. You know, so they're, they both did a wonderful job in it. Yeah. And I don't know how many people remember the Mary Lou Luterno. A lot of people don't. And I think it was mainly my younger friends and younger people I know that were like,
No, this really happened actually. Like this is fictionalized. And a lot of people forget too that, you know, she's now dead.
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Yeah. Yeah, she's gone, you know, so a lot of people kind of forget that. And that he was by her side when she totally he totally with her. And he always did. I think what it is, too, is that it's an uncomfortable, uncomfortable is the fact that they actually had a marriage that worked for many years and that it makes us uncomfortable because they were that way. Right.
So we don't expect things like that to work out. You know? Like, it's yucky, you know? Like, ew. I mean, that was also my biggest problem with poor things. It's about a, basically a toddler having a sexual awakening. Right, right. But that's a conversation for when we get to the nominations. So a movie, for me, the movie that they didn't get is Mafia Mama.
That movie got terrible reviews, but it was so much fun. I love that. Colette inherits a mafia or she has to become a mafia Don, but she's just like a soccer mom. It was so silly, so fun, such a delight. It was like very, very lovely.
I love how the movie comments on itself because Tony Collette, she goes to Italy expecting to have an under the Tuscan sun moment. She keeps specifically saying that like, I'm here to have my under the Tuscan sun moment, but no, she's got to deal with this shootout or no, she's got to deal with this, this assassination attempt. It was really silly and really fun. It was fun. Anything Tony Collette has my heart. Totally. Mirio!
I'm still mad that she wasn't even nominated for her, Terry. Still mad. Yeah. I know. That was a wonderful performance. He's good. Well, she gave you like fun. When you watch a movie, Barbie, for example, it's like because I was telling Ron, I'm like, you know, like I remember America Ferrera in it, but I don't remember her in the way that Garner's an Oscar nomination. And he was like, oh, it was her speech.
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And I was like, that's right, she had this big speech. So in movies, a lot of times you see a scene and you're like, that's where she's dominated. That's gonna get him that nomination. And Toni Collette had like five of those in Hereditary. And one of them, she wasn't even on screen. Hereditary was so good. Yeah, it's like, but anyway. Well, I think it's just in general, the...
The Academy doesn't care about horror films. No. Yeah. But how pretty and how directed do we have to make them for them to care about them? You know what I mean? We're not talking about regular 80s slasher anymore. These are like beautifully done films now, a lot of them. Or maybe not the majority. I think The Exorcist was the last horror film to win Best Picture, unless Get Out got one. But I don't think that was Best Picture. Get Out was once Green Play.
Um, yeah. What was the one you said? I think Silence at the Lamps. The Exorcist was the last horror movie to win best actor. I think Silence at the Lambs, if you consider it hard. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's right. And they both won. Anyways, uh, so this last category, uh, best bad movie, I had this idea as I was going through my list and taking a look at what was on the bottom of it, and there was one movie that was terrible, but I really want to rewatch it. Uh, so, um...
That movie I'm going to call out first is spinning gold, which is a biopic about, I forgot his name, but the guy who created, I should have done some research. I saw it in like January. It was a biopic about the guy who created the record company that had Donna Summer and Kiss and Parliament.
and uh Casablanca records yes Casablanca records neo from Casablanca records yeah so the movie is really bad uh it's like everyone's wigs you can see their hair beneath the wig
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And the makeup is terrible. Everybody is overacting everything. It feels a lot like Walk Hard, the Dewey Cox story in that it's like making fun of biopics, but it doesn't realize it's making fun of biopics. Okay. But the movie has wonderful musical performances from impersonators.
who look nothing like the musicians they're impersonating, but vocally they're fantastic. Like the Donna Summer impersonator does a great vocal performance, but she looks nothing like Donna Summer. That's funny. And the movie's just full of unnecessary cameos, like, oh, there goes that guy. And it's so dumb, but it's really fun. It's like the real life nonsense. I like anything of that era.
too. You know, it was like American Hustle. That was that was a super fun movie. And it had a background story and everything. It was still that era. So it's cool. Well, like I saw it because I had free time. I'm like, oh, I can go to the movies this afternoon and let's see what's playing. And I read the description, didn't see a trailer or a post or anything like, oh, this sounds fun. And that was a an adventure of a terrible film. But I just want to rewatch it or listen to the soundtrack, at least to hear covers of these great songs.
All right, what about you, John? What was the worst movie that you had a lot of fun with? Cocaine Bear. Mm. It's a good one. It's so delicious. And like, you can't really, I wanna say that it's bad on purpose, but maybe because I like, Elizabeth Banks is her name, I think. Love her, yeah. Yeah. Didn't she direct it? Yeah, she did. Yes, I think it was her baby, that project.
Yeah. It's so out there, stupid. Totally entertaining and fun to watch. Totally entertaining. I was so in the middle of the fact that this is based on a true story. So I think that that's great. A lot of people that saw it didn't really realize that. Yeah. I think the movie was very hit or miss. Like the ending was just a dark muddy mess, lighting wise.
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But I really loved the scene of like when the cop is on the top of the gazebo and he's got the gun on the person and he can't figure out how to get off the gazebo and keep the gun on him. That was hilarious. Yeah, she's terrific. Yeah. And then the ambulance scene with was that Ann Dowd getting her face smashed on the road? Oh, I think so. Yeah. So that was a fun movie, but it
Yeah, it was not Elizabeth Banks' best directing performance. No, did anyone get a chance to ever see Call Jane with Elizabeth Banks? It's great, it was about a pro-choice activist from the 70s that was involved with the network, was involved, Sigourney Weaver is in it as well. And she's involved in the network of women that helped other women.
get to clinics and all of that. But she was great. She's kind of a little underrated, I think. Yeah, I agree. Did she direct, I know she was in it, did she direct the horror one that was like a Superman kind of story? No, no, she didn't direct that one. I wanna say that was...
Yeah, you're talking about Brightburn was the movie. Yeah. Right. Brightburn. Yeah, I don't. Well, she was just in it. Maybe she did. I mean, I could look it up. But I remember when Pitch Perfect 3 came out, she directed that. And at the time, it was the highest grossing film ever directed by a woman, which just got beaten by Barbie. Yeah, of course. And then I feel like after that movie, she was a little overrated. Because I don't think it was her directing that made Pitch Perfect 3 so successful. I think it was the fact that it was Pitch Perfect 3.
but she kind of rolled that into Charlie's Angels, which was a huge flop. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But she may have directed Brightburn, you could be right. I love Brightburn. Well, you know, I just- It was really fun. It was, I think- It's so different. I think that Brightburn was directed by a gentleman named David Yorovsky. Oh. Yes.
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Yep, David Yerubes. You've messed it up before I did. I did, I did. But he's, yeah, she's the main star, but yeah, didn't direct it, so. Okay. I do want a sequel to Brightburn. If I remember correctly, the kid survives at the end. I liked it, I liked Brightburn. Yeah. It was good. I just liked that it was such an odd subject for a horror film. Sure. I don't know that I've ever.
seen that kind of superhero origin story, blah, in that context. I mean, even without superpowers, children are horrifying to me. Yeah. Christopher, what about you? Best bad movie? Mine would have to be Asteroid City. It's a bad movie. Yeah.
I mean, I found it's, while I say it's the best bad, because there were so many great actors that were in it, it was costumed and styled beautifully. Maybe not so realistically, but there was a lot of visual treats in that, especially with the home decor. And I sometimes get into movies like that. That's why everyone was like, oh, you'd love Barbie. You'd love Barbie. But then I went and I was like,
Oh, so I don't know why this is not for me, but Asteroid City would have to be the best bad movie to me. And it was only my yeah, that was almost my movie. I didn't get. OK, I agree. It had I loved the stop motion alien. We've got that little doohickey, but.
Overall, I just didn't care about like, I thought he was being too cute with like the actors performing the play, describing the movie. And I didn't care about any of the storylines that were all interwoven. I just felt like it was a huge drop off from the quality that was the French dispatch.
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All right, so that's our banter, went on for an hour and something. So let's go ahead now and take a look at the Oscar nomination. So the first one I wanna go over is best director. And for directing our nominations officially are, Justine Triet, in Anatomy of a Fall, Martin Scorsese for Killers of the Flower Moon, Christopher Nolan for Oppenheimer.
You ought to go slant the most for poor things and Jonathan Glaser for zone of interest. So starting with you, John, what do you think is gonna win and what do you think should win? What do you think deserves to win?
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I think Scorsese will probably win.
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And I personally haven't seen it yet, but I think he's going to win.
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But again, not having seen it, I'm gonna say that you probably should win. Just from the things that I hear about it. Okay.
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What about you, Christopher? So I really kind of think that Scorsese will win for Killers of the Flower Moon. I'm with that. And I kind of think he should. I think he should. I think that there were so many different actors in it.
level wise and the link they've been in the business and all of that. And I think to maybe kind of pull all of them together and have to direct them in different ways. I mean, you know, you're going to be directing Robert De Niro way differently than you would be Lily Gladstone, but making it very believable too. And I thought it was good. I thought he was, I thought he should win. So I'm going to go with the same thing too, like.
every scene looks like it took a lot of work to put together. Yes. Set designing, audio, music, making everything realistic and time accurate. It seems like he put a lot of effort into all of that. Sure. I think the biggest, the thing that's probably going to get the second most amount of votes is probably Oppenheimer, Christopher Nolan. Because that also, like those scenes looked like they took a lot of work, too. But most of it also felt like it was in the middle of a desert. So maybe it's a little bit easier to pull that stuff off.
Um, I feel like a few people are going to be voting for Yorda go slant the most, but I don't think he's ever really going to be best director level because he's more story than production, even though this movie was very production heavy, but I agree. It's going to be Martin Scorsese. Plus it's so old people like to vote for old people. Yeah, I think you should get it. Yeah. So we're all in agreement with Martin Scorsese is going to win as director.
Next up, we've got best actor in a leading role. So our options are Bradley Cooper for Maestro, Coleman Domingo for Rustin, Paul Giamatti for The Holdovers, Killian Murphy or Cillian Murphy for Oppenheimer and Jeffrey Wright for American Fiction. So Christopher, who do you think is gonna win? Who do you think should win? So.
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I think Cillian Murphy will win for Oppenheimer. However, I feel like Bradley Cooper should win for Maestro. I think there's just so much flack out there about him being nominated and as well, you know, there's still people out there who knew Leonard Bernstein very well that.
some on the academy, part of the academy. And those things do come into play when they're voting too. So that's my take on it. I love Sillian Murphy. I think he's great. I thought his role to me wasn't that challenging. It was kind of the same throughout the movie. So I think he'll win though. Yeah.
I think to agree with that, I feel like Sillian Murphy, a lot of his acting, I'm not an actor, but I feel like a lot of his acting was just him being quiet and looking around a lot with his band. He's got those giant eyes and he's just like, hmm, I'm Sillian Murphy, yeah. What about you, John? What about you? Who do you think's gonna win and who do you think should win? I think that...
I mean, Christopher's probably right, but if I was going to say that a Dark Horse pulls, I think like Paul Giamatti could maybe pull it as a surprise win. I agree that I think Bradley Cooper should win.
But I would also love to see Jeffrey Wright win because he's fantastic and I don't think he gets enough. He is great. It's like every couple of years you're like, oh, it's Jeffrey Wright. I love him. You know what I mean? Like, and I don't know. I know he's been nominated in the past, but I don't know that he's received that much award, season, love overall compared to other actors. But I do agree. I think Bradley should win.
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So it's interesting that two fifths of the nominees are black Americans. So that's good to see. I know people love Holman Domingo. I have never heard of the movie Rustin. So I don't think anyone's gonna be voting for him. I don't think anyone's seen that movie. A lot of people like Jeffrey Wright, but not enough to push the needle. And I think a lot of people are just annoyed at how much Bradley Cooper wants it.
because I understand he's been like very heavy with the push and the marketing push and so is Netflix. Campaigning, campaigning for it. Yeah. Well, I also think that they're like also probably like, oh, well, a black guy won last year. So we did good. We can skip a couple of years now. Yeah. Probably. Yeah, I feel like the Academy is each year, the bulk of the Academy gets younger.
because old people die and younger people come in. So I feel like in general, that's maybe not, it's less of a block making decisions. I don't know if that makes any sense, but I don't know. I think it's gonna be Paul Giamatti, because I mean, like the Holdovers is, I feel like the kind of movie that Academy voters love, because it's nostalgic for when they were kids. Right.
and yeah, I mean, I don't think Paul Giamatti did his best acting in it. He did his best Paul Giamatti impression. Right. And I think it'd be fun for him to win. I don't really care if Sillian Murphy wins. I don't really care if Jeffrey Wright wins. I don't care if Bradley Cooper wins or Coleman. But I think Paul Giamatti winning just kind of gives everyone something to smile about. Makes me think I could do it, too.
Right? Yeah, I guess. But I mean, that could be the feeling with that. Yeah, you know, with other people. Yeah. He is that kind of guy. I'm just always reminded of, I think it was two years ago when Anthony Hopkins won for best actor in The Father and everybody expected it to be Black Panther.
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And so that was just the most awkward, uncomfortable ending to the Academy Awards ever. And it was a movie that nobody saw because it showed up a week before the year ended. I saw it. Yeah, was it good? Was it Oscar-worthy performance? The Father? The Father, yeah. And I think Olivia Colman was such a big draw.
for that movie too because you know she had won just like what was it two years before maybe she had won best supporting for the favorite playing queen an but um yeah i thought it was i thought he was great i thought he did a good job all right so let's talk about actress in the leading role so our nominees were annette benning in nyad
Excuse me. Lily Gladstone and Killers of the Flower Moon, Sandra Hewler and Anatomy of a Fall, Kerry Mulligan and Maestro, and Emma Stone in Poor Things. Starting with you, John, who do you think is gonna win and who do you think should win? I think Lily Gladstone's gonna win. It's been like a pretty consistent, I would love to see Kerry Mulligan win. Me too. I feel as she wins. Me too. So, spot on. Yeah.
that I was like, you know, I was like, I remember like somebody was like, Oh, Fantasia got robbed at the Golden Globes. And I was like, did you see maestro? Yeah. They were like, well, did you see color purple? I was like, of course I saw purple. Fantasia was great. But like, I'm like, I would be so Harry Mulligan when and
She just has a really strong, consistent body of work. Like, probably a woman. I think she would be nominated for that. I love that, yeah.
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She was great. I really was like, she's getting nominated for this. There's no way. And I do think she got nominated for some things, but I don't think for an Oscar, if I remember correctly. Right. But in any case, she didn't win if she was. But yeah, I would love to see, I think Lilly will win, but I would love to see Kary.
So that's where I, that's where, not to jump the gun, was I gonna be next? No, go for it, yeah. Yeah, so I feel like Lily Gladstone will win. I think the time is right. The timing for her is right. Some people don't even know who she is. Maybe people who don't watch movies. And she's really great. She's really great in the movie, but I would.
I would really like to see Carey Mulligan win as well. I thought her betrayal in Maestro was so realistic in how she dealt with everything. And I like how she's always able to transform herself into something different. Some people were like, oh, she's too young to have been his wife. And I'm like. One other thing when you're talking about the relationship, one other thing that I loved was that.
It's almost more hinted than, because it was little like at the party and how it was almost like this little club of women who married bi or gay men. Right.
That was interesting to me. It was like this weird, not weird, but this wives club that had made certain choices in life. If they knew about it with each other and were kind of accepting of it, they were accepting of it, and they kind of had a little bit of sympathy for each other too.
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Right. Yeah. I thought it was. I thought that's why I really think she should win. But I think that this year she won't. If I think if that movie had not been if, you know, Killers of a Flower Moon had not been out, maybe she would. Yeah, I agree. Well, if Lily hadn't been nominated, maybe she would. Right. So I agree with both of you. I think Lily Gladstone is going to win. I just want to say that there's something about Carrie Mulligan that I don't really like.
It's just a lot of the characters she portrays is like, I'm better than you and I'm just, you're lucky enough to let me talk to you. And I kind of get that same thing from, I can't remember her name, but she was the mother in powder, that actress, if anyone remembers me. Oh God, I can't remember. Anyways, it's- Powder. Yeah, just such a fact. But anyways, but I did like,
Um, I did like, um...
The woman, God, we just talked about it. The Kerry Mulligan movie, Perfect Woman. No. Sarah Silverstein? No. Oh, about the woman that seeks revenge for the death of her friend. Yes. Promising Young Woman? Yes, Promising Young Woman. Yeah, I think what was good about that movie was the directing by Emerald Fennel.
not necessary carry Mulligan specifically. I think other people in that role probably would have done better. But again, that's just me not really caring for Carrie Mulligan. You're a carry Mulligan hater. No. Yeah. I thought she was completely useless in Saltburn. She had no reason to be in that movie. I haven't watched it yet. Oh, in Saltburn. Yeah, that was kind of a pop up for her. And that character that just dies and they don't really explain. Yeah.
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Well, what about Emma Stone? Do you think she has a chance for poor things? Oh, I don't think so. I don't think so. What about you, John? Do you, I mean, I love Emma Stone. No, I don't even think she should have won for...
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the dancing semi musical yeah I mean I like her I like her but I just
Yeah, she's fine. I think her best work was super bad. But that was a while ago. I just don't see her on the level of some of these other actresses. She's like mid-tier for me. All right, so let's move on to best actor in a supporting role. So the nominees are.
Did my computer just restart again? Are you still with me? No. You're here. Good. All right. So actor in a supporting role. We've got Sterling K. Brown in American fiction, Robert De Niro in Killers of the Flower Moon, Robert Downey Jr. in Oppenheimer, Ryan Gosling in Barbie, and Mark Ruffalo in Poor Things. John, let's start with you. Who do you think is going to win? Who do you think should win? I.
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I kind of want Ryan Gosling to win after all this. I really do, I really do. And I do think he did a great job. You know, like, we forget that we tend to go with the dramatic a lot of times when awarding stuff. And we tend to forget that doing comedy right can be just as challenging. And not everyone can do it either.
No. They can't, it just isn't worked. Doesn't work. I think maybe Mark Ruffalo will win. Oh, interesting.
I thought he kind of overacts, but that's like his character. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if I see that one. What about you, Christopher? So I do. I think that Ryan Gosling has a great shot at it. I think that he does have a good shot at winning this year. It was such a while. I didn't like the movie. I know so many people did.
And I think that I think he definitely has a good chance at it. Um, okay. I like that, but I think that someone that should maybe that was maybe a little, uh, under noticed would have been, um, maybe Mark Ruffalo.
He always, he brings a lot of angst and like you said, overacting. It's kind of a, a angst kind of thing.
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I don't think Ryan Gosling necessarily wants it. I say that based on him not going up to accept the reward award for I'm just Ken at the Emmys. Right. So, or Golden Globes rather, sorry. So I feel like he, he knows that there is a conversation happening out there about like how the women from Barbie didn't get nominated, but he did. So I feel like he doesn't necessarily want it. I don't know if that's going to translate to winning.
If he gets it, he gets to go up there and make a statement about it. There you go. That's true. I might want it just for that. I just want it so I can watch him. I just want to watch it so I can, I just want to see it so I can watch it. Yeah. Watch him. Oh, what if he does a musical performance of I'm Just Ken during the Oscars? No, I guess if it's him, I could handle it.
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I think Robert Downey Jr. is gonna win, because I feel like so many people have just felt the lack of Robert Downey Jr. in the Marvel movies, that they're gonna be like, this is what he should have won it for. He should have won it for Endgame, so we're giving it to him for Offenheimer. Maybe that's my myopic view of being a fan of comic book movies, but I feel like a lot of people are gonna be voting for him in like a proxy for Endgame.
So yeah, I think Robert Downey Jr. is going to win. Best actress in his supporting role. The nominees are Emily Blunt for Oppenheimer, Danielle Brooks for The Color Purple, Merika Ferreira for Barbie, Jodie Foster for NIAID, and Davin Joy Randolph for The Holdovers. Starting with you, Christopher, who do you think is going to win? So I think who is going to be a really good shot will be Jodie Foster.
It has been a long, I mean, she's never been nominated for an Oscar before. Yes, she has. Hmm. Jodie Foster? She won for Silence of the Lambs. Did she? She won best actor. I kind of swore I read that she hadn't been nominated for an Oscar before. No, she won for Silence of the Lambs and she might've been nominated for now. Hmm. Even though it was a stinky movie because she did all that, you know, for now.
She's never won. She definitely, I definitely know she won because that was Silence as a Lambs won best movie. It might've won best director for Jonathan Demme, best actor and best actress. It was like a suite, I remember.
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I think that she, well, okay, so I'm hoping she does win. I think she will win, but I think it, you know, maybe America Ferrer. I think that, you know, that would be a good thing if she did win, but I don't think she will. No, I don't think so either. So my choice is America Ferrer. I think she was the best part of Barbie.
I think America, the country, has been in love with America Ferrerra for a long time since Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants. And I think people are going to be just excited to see her come up and win. Because they want Barbie to win something feminine. And I think- Well, they also make- They also make- Are they still voting or is it all done? No, because they just announced that- I have no idea. Yeah. Well, it also makes for probably like-
America Ferrera is the first Latina to win since Rita Moreno or something moments. We love moments nowadays. A lot of people really love, they still love her from Ugly Betty. All that stuff.
What about you, John? Who do you think is going to win? Okay. So I think that Daveen's going to win. I think that I would have loved to, I would love to see Daniel Brooks win. But what I think the real crime here is even before putting Daniel Brooks, I would have put Taraji in because I feel like Taraji is who brought life to that movie.
And I don't know why she's been ignored and everything. I mean, Danielle did great. She really did. But Tarashi was like, I was like, she just was shining on that screen, everything about it. She was my favorite part. The pep-ture attention span. Yeah. With me, for sure. Yeah, she was my favorite part of that movie. So I think it's a shame that she's not on that ballot, to be honest. I mean, like, if I had to.
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If it had to be one or the other, I would have put her before Danielle Brooks. I think she did a lot more in that movie. Danielle had her moments, of course, but she was just a consistent light through that movie and well played. She really played Shug very well. Yes. But I think that Divina's gonna win.
Totally unrelated to her acting skill, I lost respect for Taraji P. Henson when she couldn't make it past the third wing on Hot Ones. Oh, jeez. Okay, so I've got you down for, I've got you down for, oh, my computer's freezing again. I'm sorry. Yeah. Okay, so let's move on to original screenplay. Our nominees are Anatomy of a Fall,
that is written by Justine Triet and Arthur Harari, The Holdovers by David Hemmingsen, Maestro by Bradley Cooper and Josh Singer, May December by Sammy Birch, Story by Sammy Birch and Alex Mechanic, and Past Lives by Celine Song. John, starting with you, who do you think, or which movie, rather, is gonna win Best Original Screenplay?
Um, well, I'm a fan of maestro. I think the holdovers will win. I think it's the kind of movie that appeals in that category.
It did have some good writing, some good like conversational and banter and stuff between the characters. Yeah, I think they tend to like that when it comes to screenplay versus the storytelling that I think.
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Screenplay often goes to the dialogue is awarded versus just everything else that's on the page. Do you know what I mean? Like the direction and all of that. So I think Holdovers will win. What about you, Christopher? Thoughts on who's gonna win? I think Holdovers will win, but Anatomy of a Fall was a favorite of mine. And...
I think it was a different, it was original for sure. It was a different story. It's a different story and I think that it should win.
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Okay. I love the holdovers. I love the holdovers. And I do think it'll win. But I just think when I think of most original, because I think we've seen the holdovers portrayed in several other movies, such as I mean, similar themes, such as Dead Poets Society, that kind of stuff. We've seen that in different movies. So I think most original would be Anatomy of a Fall to me.
No, that's a good point. Holdovers was a great screenplay, but it's not as original as other movies. Right. I'm going to put my vote down for past lives simply for that final line in the movie, which is, do you ever think maybe this is our past life? Because that just makes all the emotion well up. And I think they want to award that. And the fact that it's spoken in Korean and the translation still hits so hard in a subtitle, I think that's...
That's kind of an impressive feat. So I think that's why I think past lives might win original screenplay. And plus it's also kind of a de facto win for the director of it too, because she directed it and wrote it. Right.
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Moving to adapted screenplay. Our nominees are American Fiction, written for the screen by Cor Jefferson, Barbie by Greta Gerwig and Noah Baumbach, Oppenheimer by Christopher Nolan, Poor Things by Tony McNamara, and Zone of Interest by Jonathan Glazer. So starting with you, John, what do you think is gonna win best adapted screenplay? I think that American Fiction will win best adapted. Okay.
I don't know what Barbie was adapted from. I know. And I know that was brought up by somebody, some actor or some direct. Oh, no, no. Apatow, I think, brought that up. I don't know what it was adapted like. Is it adapted from a Barbie book, like a Barbie history text type book? You know what I mean? Yeah.
That's a good point. Because there's no, this wasn't a novel, this wasn't a play. So are you- Well, I know Oppenheimer's based on a biography. Poor Things was based on a novel. I assume that Conviction's a novel. Yeah. I'm wondering if what they're going off is like a textbook, like the Barbie book.
You know, with the history of Barbie. It's like the production bible, yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, I think American fiction. Yeah. You talked me out of Barbie being my guest, too. So I think I'm also going with American fiction. What about you, Christopher? So I'm going to go with American fiction as well. I think that I think it's going to be. I think people. I think they're going to see it's going to follow this. It followed the story so well. And I think when they say adapted, that's what it would be. It came from a novel. So there you go.
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All right, so let's move on to animated feature film. The nominees are Boys in the Heron by Hayao Miyazaki, Elemental by Peter Son and Denise Ream, Nimona by Nick Bruno, Tony Quain, Karen Ryan, Julie Zachary, I guess I don't have to say who directed them, Robot Dreams, and then Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse. So starting with you, Christopher, who do you think is gonna win animated feature film? The Boy in the Heron.
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It was a very popular, it was a popular, for animated movies that would appeal to adults, I think that would be it.
Okay. I think you're right. It does have a very good chance of winning. Is it the one you want to win from that list? I don't know if you saw everything on the list or a number of those. That's the only one I saw out of that list. Okay. And John? I haven't seen any from the list, but... That's fine. That's fine. I do think that the boy in the hair and has a good chance.
Um, I was going to say Spider-Man, but didn't Spider-Man, not this one, but the first one already win a best, uh, animated film. Yes. I do believe it did. Yeah. I'm going to go with Boy in the Herring. Okay. I am going to go with Spider-Man because that last one won. Yes. But this one doubles down and improves upon all of the animation rules that the first one broke.
So like you have scenes that are animated in watercolors, scenes that are animated like photocopies of things. It's like, throws together so many different art styles and does so many things that have never been seen in animated films. I think if you're talking about like the quality of it, like some characters move at different frame rates and other characters because they come from different universes. So it does like a lot of things that a lot of people didn't even know were possible in animation. So I think in that regard.
It has a really strong chance. That's where I'm putting my vote. And Nick, we do know that you are a comic book lover. So yes, so Spider-Man is definitely your choice. Yes, yeah. Yeah, and again, I just didn't really like Boy in the Haring. Right, there you go. Yes! All right, production design. We've got Barbie, Killers of the Flower Moon, Napoleon, Oppenheimer, and Poor Things.
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Starting with you, John, who do you think is gonna win production design?
I want Barbie to win. I think Killers will win. It's a tough choice. They're all gorgeous production designs. Okay. So you think Killers is gonna win? It was just delicious. Yeah. Like the whole Barbie world was just, it was like bubblegum. Yeah, visual. Yeah. Pretty visual. And what about you, John? Sorry, Christopher. So I think Napoleon.
I think Napoleon, I think if it could win, if it could win something, maybe I think that could be it. I think Napoleon.
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I do feel I see what you're saying. I think this is I Think if it was a better movie, I would feel more confident that people would be excited about it but that being said I feel like the
The way that Scorsese brings you into the world of Killers of the Flower Moon, like when it first starts, and you see all this opulence in the middle of the desert, you see giant oil refineries, you see people taking photos, and it's showing it as a vintage photo or whatever. I feel like that made the world feel so much more real than Napoleon did. Right, right. Even though, Napoleon had amazing production design. It just, Killers of the Flower Moon felt more of a feat of engineering to me.
Right. So that's what my vote is. It was so realistic looking. Yeah.
Alright, cinematography. We've got El Condé, Killers of the Flower Moon, Maestro, Oppenheimer, and Poor Things. So, starting with you, Christopher, who do you think is going to win cinematography from that list?
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have to say Killers of the Flower Moon probably will win that, but again I'm gonna have to do a should. It would be Maestro.
I loved the cinematography in Maestro from where it took you. It took you from when he was a young guy, you know, young kid guy, and it's in black and white, and then all of it becomes color. But the shots were beautiful. And to know that it was actually filmed in Leonard Bernstein's own home, you know, a big part of the movie and the way they shot all of that, I think it, I kind of think it should win, but.
I'd have to go with Killers of the Flower Moon. That's what we'll watch. John? I think that Oppenheimer will win, but I also want Meister to win. Okay, that's a good one. I mean, Oppenheimer did have lots of like, fun in-camera effects. It did. So, yeah, I could see that. I'm gonna go with Poor Things, just because how often do you see a wide-release movie that's got fisheye lens?
So I think that'll get people excited. Yeah. It's been a while. Yeah. So I think I'm going with that just because it was more experimental than any of the others. Sure.
And for costume design, this is usually where some shittier movies get in, but it looks like these are all big popular ones. I'm just remembering how, what was it? Suicide Squad won best costume. What was the best hair and makeup? Something, yeah. Yeah. So for costume design, we've got Barbie, Killers of the Flower Moon, Napoleon Oppenheimer, and Poor Things. Starting with you, Christopher, who do you think is gonna win for costume design? Napoleon.
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Okay, I think that's a pretty strong guess. I think I'm going with the same thing. I also want to say Napoleon, because I feel like people want to reward it for something and this is like the safest thing to reward it for. What do you think, John? I think killers will win. But it would be fun to see Barbie, but I think other stuff is more opulent, like Barbie's so pop, you know what I mean?
simple colors and simple shapes. And when you have history, it's hard to beat historic or fantasy, I think. Sure. Yeah. When it comes to costumes, cause you can get so lavish and so intricate. So I think it would, as an artist, because of all the color, I think it would be fun. But I think, I think it'll be something historical. You know, and I was gonna say,
watching it as I've always studied fashion history and design. And I found that they did a really good job at creating authenticity to the clothing and the costuming in Killers of a Flower Moon. I do agree with that. I think it'll be one of those too for sure. So I feel like the academy in general is probably mostly men. So.
Therefore, they're not going to have any emotional connection to the costuming that we see in Barbie Probably even less than killers of the flower moon because when you think of that you're thinking of what the women wore More than you're thinking about what the men wore. I can't remember anything that the men wore in that And then I think probably similar to in poor things. Well, I remember um
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Yeah, I guess it's silly clothes, but again, it was mostly Bella Baxter's clothing. Costuming, but with Napoleon, it's very masculine clothing. So I feel like that's what's going to make it win.
Alright, so moving on to editing, options are Ananymy of a Fall, The Holdovers, Killers of the Flower Moon, Oppenheimer, and Poor Things. Starting with you, John, who do you think is going to win film editing? Oppenheimer. Okay. Any specific reason?
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No. All right. No. I can't.
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Yeah, I just don't.
I feel like there's no movie that, and I can't think now of some of the other movies that I've watched this year, but none of the, I feel like it's like a very even.
field in that one. One impressive thing about the editing in Oppenheimer is I feel like despite it being a movie about talking heads, it does have a continual high energy that keeps crescendoing. And that's all done through the editing and sound design. So it's not like it's the story that's really pushing you towards this impending doom. So I definitely see that as a win for the editing in Oppenheimer. What about you, Christopher? I'm with Oppenheimer. I think if anything, adapting it.
You know there's been so much that they wanted to put in there specifically since it came, you know came from a Biography basically there had to have been extra things that maybe they tried that were cut out But I thought it flowed and it kept your interest and you kept coming back to it
So I think that's also a really good point. I think I'm gonna go with Killers of the Flower Moon, which is weird because the movie was three and a half hours long, so how much editing did they actually do? Right. But I'm just reminded of the trailer for that, which was basically the beginning of the movie. And it just had this exciting energy right at the start that like throws you into the world, gets you into the excitement that all these people have because of all the money that they're making.
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and remembering how it constantly flashes to scenes that could have just been told to the audience, but instead they're shown to the audience as backstory. So I think that's why I'm gonna think it's Killers of the Flower Moon that's winning editing. But I'm also very likely thinking it's Oppenheimer too. You both have sold me on that, possibly. All right, so makeup and hairstyling. We've got Golda.
Maestro, Oppenheimer, Poor Things, and Society of the Snow. So Christopher, who do you think's gonna win on that? I would think Golda. There was great makeup in so many movies, but in watching it and remembering Golda from when she was around, I thought they didn't, you know, that aging someone makeup seems to be really difficult to do.
So I would I think the way they did Helen Mirren, I mean to some people she was very unrecognizable as Golda So I'm going with that too. It was gorgeous makeup. Didn't see the movie gorgeous makeup It was it was it was it was it was cool it was more than a nose
Well, but it wasn't just a nose in the as he gets older. Right. I'm going with Maestro. When a movie starts, he's much older. They did do a great job. And the makeup's really impressive. Did you, not to interrupt you, but did you kind of think- I didn't think he'd be older. Did you think that Bradley Cooper looked, I mean, without the makeup, doesn't he look quite a bit like Leonard Bernstein?
more handsome version of Leonard Bernstein. He could be Leonard Bernstein's grandchild. Grandchild. Kind of face, you know, that something about him, he looks quite a bit like him. But I thought they did such a good job with that, with him. Yeah. And he and with her, which is subtle. Again, that was one thing I forgot about the aging process they did with Carey Mulligan. They did really good with him. You know.
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Yeah. Sometimes subtle makeup is even harder. Correct. Yeah. You know, it's like how in beauty, like to do a no makeup look is more difficult sometimes than doing a dramatic look. Right. To make it look like it's not there is harder than making it dramatic. So well, so the other half of this is hair styling. Sorry, John. What was that?
I'm going with Maestro, but again, I did not see Golda. So, yeah, I didn't see it either. I just saw the trailers in the photos. You know, well, on none of these movies, hair was extravagant. So the nomination is really just for makeup. Sure. All right. So talking about sound design, we've got, um, the creator Maestro.
Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning Part One, Oppenheimer, and Zone of Interest. I'd be surprised if we don't all say the same movie on this one. John, what have you got for sound design? I'm gonna say Mission Impossible. Oh, okay. A lot of action movies win that, I think, or Creator.
Creator had some really cool sound effects, like when those lasers come down from the sky to like seek, find life on earth, that was cool. I would say creator. Okay, well I was way off on me guessing what you guys would all pick. So I am going with Oppenheimer. Just because of the sound of an explosion. Right. Yeah, but I know.
I think Creator had the best sound. If it was me, I would give it to Creator, but I think it's going to be Oppenheimer, is my guess. All right, visual effects. So in this category, we have the Creator, Godzilla minus one, Guardians of the Galaxy volume three, Mission Impossible, and Napoleon. So John, who do you think is going to win for visual effects? Godzilla.
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I think that's probably gonna be a two. Like it's not the best, but for the budget, it's incredible. Right. I think it would, I would say Godzilla.
Yeah. And it's nice to award visual effects to a country other than the United States too. That's true. Yeah. And that's usually where like action movies and stuff get in.
Yeah, I agree. So we are all agreed on Godzilla minus one for visual effects. That's the first one I think we've all agreed on. All right, so original score. There it is. Original score. We've got American fiction, Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, Killers of the Flower Moon, Oppenheimer and Poor Things. So starting with John, what have you got?
Killers of the Flower Moon. Me too. Christopher, do you agree? Yes. All right. That's the only one that's the score. I can actually remember honestly. Scores never really stand out that much to me. Like I feel like they should I should pay more attention, but I'm more interested in what the characters have to say. I think sometimes in my sleep. I'm still hearing the theme from Chariots of Fire. They played. That
They played the theme to that on the radio. I mean, all the time. You remember this, John? Yeah. I mean, it was just like you just couldn't get out of your head. But yeah, that was one that stands out for sure. Yeah. So the next one, original song. Surprisingly, there's a movie from Flamin' Hot, a song from the movie Flamin' Hot about the Cheetos that got nominated.
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So, okay, the options are the fire inside from the movie Flaming Hot, I'm Just Ken from Barbie, It Never Went Away from American Symphony, Wasazi, a song from My People from Killers of the Flower Moon, and What Was I Made For from Barbie.
Christopher, who do you think is gonna win best original song? Barbie for I'm Just Ken. Oh, okay. And what about John? I think it'll be Billie Eilish. Yeah, I think so too. Especially because of the reaction to it. That would be a great surprise though. Yeah. Yeah, my vote's for What Was I Made For also. Yeah. All right, so.
best documentary I feel like I probably didn't see any of these. We've got Bobby Wine, The People's President, The Eternal Memory, Four Daughters, To Kill a Tiger, and 20 Days in Mario Pool. I can tell you I'm only I'm picking the only one I've heard of which is 20 Days in Mario Pool. I would go with that one because I haven't seen those either. Yeah, all right. And John, I'll go with that one so we can all agree on one more.
Okay, let's do that. International Feature Film. And I watch a lot of documentaries, but I haven't seen any of them. I like watching biographies, but that's mostly it. Biographies and true crime, that's kind of all I watch when it comes to documentaries. All right, so for International Feature Film, we have Iro Capitane, Perfect Days, Society of the Snow, The Teacher's Lounge, and Zone of Interest. John, who do you think's gonna win for this?
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I think Zone of Interest because it's nominated for so much other stuff. I haven't seen Society of the Snow, but I'm dying to. Maybe I'll watch it tonight. But I just think Zone of Interest is in other categories and it probably is like, okay,
Because isn't it up for best movie too? You know, because that happens sometimes. It was adapted screenplay and best picture. No, it's up for best picture. Yeah. That happens sometimes where they get, which I don't understand that either. Why? Sorry. Like, if I don't understand how you can be up for best international movie or foreign or whatever.
but then up for best picture in like, I don't know. It's a good point. I mean, I can understand what you mean, yeah. I don't know if I'm articulating it correctly, but it confuses me. Sure, sure. So I'm gonna go with Society of the Snow. Okay. I really liked the movie. I thought it was, and I'm surprised it wasn't nominated. Did it have other nominations besides? Makeup.
I can't really, I can really, when I think about the makeup of that, I think of all of the ice in the hair and the frostbite. Yeah, frostbite. I mean, you know, we've seen that in so many other movies and I don't think that the clothing of the mid 1970s and early 1970s was hard to recreate at all. I don't find, you know, I'm looking at like difficulty and how they would have done that.
So I don't know about that, but I can do that from a fish store. Right, but I think Society of the Snow. That would be my choice. Cool. All right, moving on to the last category, Best Picture. Our nominees are American Fiction, Anatomy of a Fall, Barbie, The Holdovers, Killers of the Flower Moon, Maestro, Oppenheimer, Past Lives, Poor Things, and The Zone of Interest. John, hit me with who you think is going to win Best Picture.
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I think it's gonna be killers. Yep. Christopher same? Yes, I agree. Me too. So we all agree that that's gonna win. It's just got so much behind it and like- For sure. Yeah, like I don't feel like the audience who went to go see Barbie is necessarily the audience that's voting in these elections. Even though Barbie is definitely the crowd favorite. I think also, I love Barbie.
but I don't know that it's best picture. It made a great statement. It made a lot of money. It offered a new look to a movie, the whole plastic sort of world, or at least in recent times. But it's not, I just don't think it's the kind of movie that.
they would award best movie too. And when you compare it to some other things, I mean, I think that's kind of fair. Right. You know, if you had like best comedy, best this, you know, that's a different. But if you got to pick one out of all these productions, and I would pick probably Maestro for my second. Me too. Yeah.
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I mean, it's funny how like, I feel like Netflix constantly throws in so many millions of dollars every year with the intent to win best picture. And if Killers of the Flower Moon wins it, then that means Apple TV got it twice without even trying. They got the, what was the one about the deaf girl?
No, the girl with the deaf parents who was a singer. Oh, yes. Yeah. I think that one best picture was like four years ago. Yeah. It was okay. It wasn't great. But anyway, so it's just funny that was that if Netflix doesn't win best picture for maestro, that's going to drive George Sarandos insane because so much money. Yeah. It's even just weird to me. Ted Sarandos.
that these are, we got you. Cause when I think of Netflix, I still kind of think of TV. Right. It's gotten a while for me to get used to that. Because again, like something comes out and it's Netflix and I'm like, is this Emmy or Oscar? Right. Like where does it go? Getting used to the feature film aspect of it. Yeah. Maestro.
Like Maestro. Yeah, exactly. Absolutely. I know this sounds dumb, but I just had a thought. So what if more TV series were aired in movie theaters? Would that help movie theater chains? Like if someone every week came in to see the new True Detective, that would be awesome. I would love like the new series. That's a lot of commitment though. That's true, but I mean like, if it was an option, I would probably do it.
I would for some shows, not all shows. Yeah. But anyways, I don't know that I do that. They're like a whole season. Well, it would be like a short series like like. Like, you know, life happens. The thing about the thing about going to a movie for just the one movie is that you can choose when you go. The thing about series is that if you got to be somewhere
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when it airs, you can come home later or watch it the next day. So it would be it would have to have multiple showings of it. Right. Yeah. So like maybe it's like TV series or serial things would be like Monday through Thursday and then Friday through Sunday. They're doing movies or something. I don't know. Just a thought. I think it's a terrible. Could be. Could be. All right. Well, I think we're Americans. We don't have that.
kind of commitment to, it's like going to the gym. That would be to me like going to the gym and I don't go to the gym. I was like, what is a gym? What is a gym? Right, right, right. Is it just like the guy across the street or what? Right? No, I go to that gym. No, but it just takes a lot of commitment. I think that would work with something to do with...
superheroes, animations, stuff out of comic, because those people, those groups are really, we're gonna show up and we're gonna be in costume, even though we're in a dark theater. And you know what I mean? I think it might work with that demographic. That's true. What if they rebooted Rocky Horror Pictures show as a dramatic series? Dynasty. I don't think so. I don't think so because again,
Again, like if it was like the Comic Con type crowd, like it would become a social thing. It's like, oh, we're going to see our friends and what they're wearing this week to watch the newest episode of what you know, it's I think it's just a different, I think people who watch dramas, I don't know, we like to watch them on our couch. We have the time.
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I don't know, that's just my thought. Well, I know that I need to watch Anatomy of a Fall Soon because it's on here a lot and I've got no idea. Yeah, me too. It was surprising, it was a little bit thrilling, it was good, it's good. So the last thing I want to ask you all is, is there anything that got a lot of nominations that you missed that you really feel like the pressure to watch now?
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Anatomy of the Fall? All of them. I wanna see all of them. Spider-Man? Okay. I understand, yeah. Oh, no, not Spider-Man, because I didn't watch the first, I'm not a big, I rather watch like a Marvel movie, like live action, than watch like a cartoon superhero. Even though I loved comic books as a kid and everything, but so I didn't watch the first Spider-Man, so now I'm,
like less inclined to watch this one. I think it would be Spider-Man for me.
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I mean, as a piece of art, it's gorgeous. Like, have you ever seen watercolor in an animated movie? It's incredible. Right, yeah.
It'd be cool. All right, well, I've used you both for over two hours now. So thank you so much for your time. Hey, it was cool. This has been wonderful. It was awesome. Can we do it again? Yeah, I definitely want to talk about the Oscar. That would be great. Yes, yes. I plan on also doing like TikToks when I leave the movie theater about whatever movie I just saw because then I could also write off the ticket as a business expense. That's a good idea. Yeah.
Um, but yeah, I definitely want us to connect again after the Oscars to talk about everything that happened. Sounds good. Hey, John, it's nice to meet you. You too. And I'm going to reach out to you about your art. I would love to meet up in person and say howdy. Yeah, please. Cool. Yeah. I'm glad I connected you two. Yeah, me too. Yeah, it's great. Yeah. All right. Well guys, have a great evening. Thank you. I'll see you. Thank you.
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